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Yes, Losing Sub-Prime Loans Is A Good Thing-Bring Pride Back Into Home Ownershp

Several members have written recently about the sub-prime loan debacle.  Many are concerned about the ramifications and what all those borrowers out there will do.  I would like to offer my opinion as to the history of mortgage lending over the past 20+ years.

In 1980 I had a young couple come into my office and wanted to buy a home.  At that time they had two options.  1)  They could save for the down payment (both were working) which at that time was about $2,500 including closing costs or,  2) They could have qualified for a Farmers Home Administration loan with no down-payment but they earned slightly too  much money to qualify.

I didn't hear from them for about 3 weeks.  They then came into my office and were so happy because the wife had quite her job and they now qualified for the FMHA loan.  Oh, by the way, they drove up to my office in a brand new car they had bought 2 days prior to coming to my office. 

What happened here is that the wife quite working so they would qualify and they also got farther in debt.  They didn't want to have to "SAVE" money so they took the highly traveled road of "Give me a loan I don't have to work for".

There isn't a year that goes by that I don't think about that sale I made 26 years ago and it still bothers me. You see our government created a program that took the incentive away from a lot of people to work for what they have.

A lot has been written about adjustable rate mortgages and they have been blamed for causing the high and growing number of foreclosures hitting the market.

This has been my observance in S.W. Idaho the last few years: Kids come into my office, write up an offer on a home. They come to closing and get their earnest money back and pay no money down, not one cent. You see they found a lender that would make them the loan and an appraiser that told them what they wanted to hear. They immediately move into their new home. Within months, if not weeks a new 4-wheel drive truck appears in the drive-way along side the Mrs. new sport car.  Neither vehicles fit in the garage because it is stuffed full of toys.

You see they want these toys because mom and dad have them and they want them too. Doesn't matter they can't pay cash for them because they are bombarded with credit card offers and "No down 1 year to pay" programs.  Pretty soon they get into this vicious circle of debt as described in the book Rich Dad, Poor Dad by author Robert Kiyosaki http://www.richdad.com/  

"A Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) report announced that the country's annualized losses on bank credit cards had ballooned to its highest level in 14 years. According to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), which issued the findings, the losses accounted for 5.22% of every $100 charged to the nation's credit cards; bankruptcy amounted to roughly half of "bank credit card charge-offs."

As soon as the bills start mounting up the first thing they let go of is their home.  Why? because they had nothing invested!  They had none of their hard earned money invested in that home.  They would rather hang on to their 4-wheel drive trucks, sports cars and motorcycles and just let the home go.

In many cases the debt of the home was more that the value to resell This is because closing costs were added to many sales prices and over mortgaged the home in relationship to it's market value. This has resulted in massive foreclosures.  Just drive through any entry level subdivision, USA.

In many cases borrowers just filed bankruptcy and turned around and bought another home months later until the bankruptcy laws were finally changed.  Thank God the bankruptcy laws were toughened. Can you imagine where we would be if they were not toughened?

What was really sad is that it was easier for a young couple just out of bankruptcy to buy a home than it was for a self-employed hard working couple that had good credit!  The self-employed couple was penalized because they were self-employed.  What is wrong with this picture?

When I grew up I was told that if I wanted something I had to work hard to earn the money I needed to afford what I wanted to buy.  Come this century of "I want, I want, I want" and "I deserve, I deserve, I deserve".

I can assure you that if buyers are told they must now come in with 3, 5 or 10% down they will find a way to get it if they really want a home.  And you know what? That would be a good thing because they then know they had to work for it and they have something invested in it.  They would have a little more pride.

I admit there are people that really needed and deserved sub-prime 100% financing but the vast majority of loans were made to couples that didn't have the discipline to own a home.

Lets bring back pride in home ownership. Lets GIVE our youth the opportunity to WORK for down payments and to qualify on their REAL ability to pay. 

Native Idahoan and Boise Idaho Real Estate specialist serving Boise, Meridian Eagle, Nampa, Caldwell and the surrounding Treasure valley area of southwest Idaho. Specializing in residential, investment, land and commercial real estate. Search thousands of MLS listings at Boise Homes for sale and learn all about Idaho by visiting Search Idaho Homes

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George, it is going to be interesting to see where this shake up in the market is going to go. I meet with sellers all the time that are having financial problems and right on the wall is the 5 foot plasma TV and all the accessories that go with it, new cars and luxuries everywhere. Must be nice. Do you know the last and only TV I have bought in 25 years was on sale at Walmart for $99.00. I drive a 9 year old Expedition. And I make quite a bit of money!!  

This shake up is definitely going to put a hurting on my market. Poinciana Fl is first time home buyer haven. Unfortunately most buyers are hard working folks that only make $300 to $500 a week working in the service industry. It is almost impossible for them to be able to save up $10,000+ for a down payment. I do feel for them. Home ownership has now been pushed out of their reality. For every one that has all the toys there are many more who are just good hard working honest folk who should have the option of being a homeowner. I have mixed emotions about all of this.

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc over 3 years ago

Thanks Bryant...this has all just been my observance and I am sure there are good hard working people out there that want a home and will not be able to swing it.  Please tell me this Bryant.  As I mentioned in my post, I was raised to have to work for what I have as I am sure you did. If I didn't have the cash to buy it outright or enough money for a down payment I just wasn't allowed to buy it.  History has proven what sub-prime lending has done.  Look at the foreclosure rate in this country.  One blog I read recently said that if we think we have seen the worst of foreclosures...hold on because you haven't seen anything yet.  I believe this is true.  I truly want everyone that has the ABILIY to buy a home to do so.  Lets face it, some people are born to be singers and some are not; some people are born to be dancers and some are not.  Should everyone be allowed to buy a home regardless of whether they have the ability or not?

Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago
I think todays culture has driven this generation to EXPECT instant gratafication, however people will alway buy things and that includes houses and loans. I guess what we have to figure out is how to either teach people to not over extend or see the mortgage industry correct itself. I also see people that are good peopple in bad places and they have not bought all the toys just are in a hard time and need help. I hope we can continue to help these people.
Posted by Dan Allred DRE#01761967 (Allred Realty ) over 3 years ago
Thanks Dan -  I agree totally.  I didn't intend to offend anyone. We know something is wrong when the credit card debt and bankruptcy rates are at all-time highs. I think we need to educate our children and teach them the value of money and the importance of saving which is a lost art in our times. Thank you so much for your comments and I respect them.
Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

George, I agree we haven't seen nothing yet. It's going to get real ugly real quick. I also agree folks today are clueless when it comes to working hard and saving for what you want BUT I have met some very responsible young people. Lack of parenting in my opinion. I've worked nonstop since I was 13 and have been on my own since I was 16. I've never asked or never expected anything from any one. Maybe they should have to take a competence test:)

I lost 3 subprime deals yesterday alone. Hate it when that happens.

Posted by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc over 3 years ago
Well said Bryant.  If we teach our youth the value of money as you learned on your own through hard knocks it will help them more than anyone can ever know. Instead of learning how easy it is to get a credit card and how easy it is to get a home with no money down lets teach them the value of saving for what they want.  I know in my heart that if they learn these lessons they will value more what they have and the credit card issue and bankruptcy issue would be helped immensly.  Congratulations on being a responsible man from such a young age.  You are to be commended.
Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

George...

Should I start worrying now or later :-) I'm kidding of course. This will effect our market but overall I believe it will be for the better. At least we will not see as many deals kick over 100% financing. That really has gotten old. I'm more than ready to see a change. My husband, Broker Bryant, is right. It's gonna get ugly. But once this change takes effect I look forward to having a market with less foreclosures. The foreclosures are hard on us. They always seem to happen to the nicest people. I hate to see good people lose everything they have because a Lender sold them on a no money down. A marginal Buyer always stands a very good chance of not being able to hang on to their home. It's very upsetting at times, but it is the nature of what we do.

TLW...ROAR!

Posted by "The Lovely Wife" (Broker Bryant's Wife) The One And Only TLW. (Co-Owner Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) over 3 years ago
Well said Lovely Wife.  It saddens me the number of foreclosures out there and the ones yet to come. I wish there was a way I could talk to all the youth of this country and teach them the value of the smart way to handle money and the importance of working for what we have.  Advertising, credit card companies and mortgage companies that promoted 100% financing should look in their soul and realize what they have done.  I miss the "Old Days" when people didn't buy anything unless they knew for sure they could either pay cash or know without a doubt they could afford the payment. And also having the discipline to not get into additional debt that cannot be handled.
Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago
Ladies and Gentleman Hold on to your hats, This next year or two should be very interesting. Foreclosures are up but all the lenders say it is not more than in a normal market yet. In the last year or two of the boom I had heard that higher than 65% of all loans where 100% and I bet many of those would have not qualified in a traditional market.
Posted by Doug Beaver - Corona Norco Riverside Homes (Century 21 Olde Tyme) over 3 years ago
Thanks for your input Doug...I value your opinion and you are a real pro.  Have a great weekend.
Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago
What it's really going to do is put validity back into the statement that 'your credit matters'.  Those with good credit will still be able to qualify for low-down mortgages (FHA, VA) and those with worse credit will actually have to be responsible to improve their credit.
Posted by Coeur d'Alene Real Estate - Come Live the Life Style - Christina Ethridge (The North Idaho Dream Team LLC) over 3 years ago
Thanks Christina, I agree 100%.  Give someone something for nothing and there is no pride.  Make someone work for what they have and they will think twice before walking away.  It has been this way for thousands of years and I do not see it changing.  Thanks
Posted by George Tallabas - Idaho Real Estate (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

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